For the first time in a month, I feel some major anger here.
Right. So the anti-gun crowd says that the public having guns is bad. Guns don’t make us safer, they don’t make anyone safer. They’re dangerous, and nobody should have them for protection, because the state will protect you.
Until someone walks in and shoots a TSA agent, and then it’s “GUNS WILL MAKE THEM SAFER.”
The cognitive dissonance is STAGGERING. Look, you fucking anti-gun folks, can you at least get your fucking story straight? Do guns make people safer or not? Is the ability to defend yourself with a firearm dangerous, or safer? CAN YOU GET THAT SHIT STRAIGHT YOU FUCKING ARGLEBARGLEWHARRRRGLE GOD DAMN IT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.
Fuck these idiots.
No no no. Guns in the hands of duly empowered government employees and nobody else make everyone safer.
Because, you know, cops are such fucking great shots.
“Because, you know, cops are such fucking great shots.” …with such great morals, and they’re great at defusing any situation verbally. Cops would never just shot at someone because it’s easier or they’re scared. They all have law degrees and uphold the law to the fullest at all times.
And they can fly ;p.
I´d make a “and pigs can fly” joke, but meh.
It was just too damn easy
Right. And, you know… cops would never pull someone over for failing to stop at a stop sign and then have a doctor rape them repeatedly in the ass over 12 hours. On two separate occasions. Without a warrant. On the word of an uncertified “drug dog”.
On an unrelated matter, stay the FUCK out of New Mexico if you don’t want your sphincter widened on police orders.
This.
Like, we say it ironically, but it’s really how they think. The most effective firearm training in the world is a government paycheck.
“The most effective firearm training in the world is a government paycheck.”
Love it. Stealing it. Fucking perfection.
Right, because it’s not like there has ever been a cop who went nuts and killed people. I mean not even ex cops who worked for LAPD… Who’s this Chris Dorner person? That was MONTHS ago.
Demonstein also says that the First Amendment is not a right but a privilege. It goes without saying that disagreeing with her voids your privilege.
The NRA only wants to arm good guys with guns to stop the bad guys with guns..
Too bad the bad guys with guns often use their guns against people without guns. I guess the world will be unsafe unless EVERYONE has a gun
That’s crazy talk!
People are so focused on guns as though they are the truly important thing in this debate. They’re not! Guns just so happen to be our current era’s most effective personal weapons. They are so easy to demonize because of that fact alone. The real debate is about personal protection. What tool is used as a weapon to achieve personal protection shouldn’t matter, so long as it is sensibly effective (an AR-15 over a handgun, a gun over a knife or a bludgeon, a weapon over a prayer and a 911 call), and remains on the level of personal protection (dispels the “nuclear weapon” argument, see below).
Nobody should be denied the ability to defend oneself in any way; what one should be able to defend themselves with shouldn’t be a matter of law or arbitrary regulations, but personal ability, income, and confidence. If I want to purchase an AK, a kevlar vest, a security system, a dog, it should damn well be my right. The same should go if I want a bunch of swords, knives, polearms, and such. My personal line comes when we approach crew-served weapons and anything explosive; the absolute upper limit – for me personally – that I would consider acceptable for personal defense is some sort of GPMG like an M240 or a PKM, assuming large properties like big farms. I still don’t think it’s legally acceptable to stop anyone from purchasing such things, up and including hardware such as tanks, rocket launchers, grenades, whatever. The only qualms I have is for anything incendiary, chemical/biological, and of course nuclear; we are beyond the concept of defense with such tools and the effects they have go beyond killing – these are the real horror machines. Not assault rifles. In fact, I would find it more HUMANE to be killed with an assault rifle than to be killed with a NBC weapon or an incendiary device.
The right to keep and bear arms shouldn’t even be questioned in the first place. I find it amazing, on a purely human level, that there is such turmoil and debate, and at the same time, I feel appalled. It really shows just how little the leaders of our world care about anyone, except themselves and their surroundings. Unfortunately, I am probably idealistic as there is no place in the world that is truly ‘free’. The freest place in the world is places like Arizona or Vermont, I guess.
I personally look far beyond the entire ‘gun rights’ concept because it’s not about ‘gun rights’, it’s about ‘rights’, which so happen to involve guns in this time and age. If the future includes lasguns, lightsabers, or bolters, hell yes I want my great-grand-children to be allowed to have ’em.
Am I idealistic? Yes, possibly. Am I any ashamed of it? Not one bit.
…marry me?
The freest place in the world is places like Arizona or Vermont, I guess.
Sure, Maricopa County in AZ (where I live) is fine, as long as you’re not some shade of brown that’s darker than a caramel macchiato. Shurf Joe hates dem dere nigras and wetbacks, and the crusty old fucks in Sun City keep reelecting him.
That’s probably when I say I’m European, hehe. I do wish I could move to the U.S. though and acquire citizenship, and have some semblance of gun rights that doesn’t limit me senselessly.
Sad thing there seems to be racism around your area though.
There’s racism everywhere. It’s just more apparent in some places.
And, you know, because hiring & training standards for TSA are so high, they would never misuse anything like that or overstate their authority… Bad enough they are forced to feel us up. I don’t have a problem with any TSA agent who is also qualified to carry concealed, doing so- under the condition that we the people get to do the same. They don’t get guns until WE can carry guns right on to the M-F’in plane.
“CAN YOU GET THAT SHIT STRAIGHT YOU FUCKING ARGLEBARGLEWHARRRRGLE GOD DAMN IT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS” – J. Grant
^ likely the best response to this situation possible.
“Abe Lincoln may have freed all men, but Sam Colt made them equal.”
According to a Colt advertisement in 1870s.
Handguns scare politicians, that’s why they want them out of the hands of civilians. They are elites and think they should be safe from ordinary citizens.
A policeman usually turns up after a crime is committed. Americans use guns in self defense an estimated 2.2 to 2.5 million times a year most often by displaying or firing a warning shot (WS I personally think, is not a smart move, but many swear by them). In Florida,which has issued over 2 million concealed carry permits since it adopted a `right-to-carry’ law in 1987 and just 168 concealed carry permits were revoked due to the use of a firearm in a crime (just 0.008 percent).
I´d have to grow a couple of extra arms to do a propper facepalm for this one.
My favorite Oingo Boingo video… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTRd1a5MVMw 🙂
To hell with the cognitive dissonance…
Look at who they fuckin’ hire to be TSA screeners. Hell…I applied to get into TSA back in 2002. I have a Degree in Crim Justice. They said I was Overqualified and refused to hire me.
Now they ……ugh… /facepalm
This will be like giving the cast from Philly and Detroit Parking Wars a firearm.
I applied to TSA in 2004 out of sheer desperation. I’m a veteran with experience in conflict resolution and personal/property security. Shoo-in, right? WRONG.
Clearly, you’re over-qualified.
I worked in a building that also had DHS offices on the floor above and below mine.
DHS routinely flew people in from all over the US for manager training.
I actually had some faith in DHS before working in that building. By the time I left five years later I had nothing.
It was status quo for these people (predominantly white, middle aged men) to stumble into the elevator bragging about their hangovers, not knowing what floor they needed to get off on or even what class they were to attend, etc.
And now they want to give, not these guys, but the ones they deemed not qualified to become managers guns. Pardon me while I roll my eyes into the abyss of utter despair.
Every TSA ‘agent’ I’ve dealt w/ has been a power-hungry, tin pot dictator wanna-be. Just the kind of people the Gov’t wants to arm to maintain control. See ‘V for Vendetta’ for an example.
They’re glorified mall cops with x-ray scanners.
IME, most TSA agents are pretty much decent hard-working folks with a really shitty job. And they succumb to pressure, just like any other decent working stiff will when in a shitty, high-stress, not-very-well-paying job with crappy training will succumb. It’s inevitable.
Of course, there *ARE* more than a few would-be Robo-Cops and Rambos in the mix – which just makes it all that much worse.
This. see also Queensland anti bikie laws
One of my blog readers hit the nail on the head so hard I had to put his quote on my masthead: “The most glaring example of the cognitive dissonance on the left is the concept that human beings are inherently good, yet at the same time cannot be trusted with any kind of weapon, unless the magic fairy dust of government authority gets sprinkled upon them.”
I need to borrow this…..
Excellently put.
That’s the problem with adopting an extreme stance. If you stick to it in the face of logical, contrary evidence, you’re a moron. If you change it, you’re a flip-flopper. The first piece of real-world, adult-level wisdom I ever garnered on my own was that in any discussion of two opposite theories explaining what was the right way to do things, true wisdom lay somewhere in between.
McCoolest, please see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
There are cases where the correct answer does in fact lie at one of the extremes. If you assert that 7.62mm=.30″, and I assert that 7.62mm=.50″, it would be idiocy to conclude that 7.62mm=.40″.
Note, he said THEORIES about how things are to be done.
7.62 being (roughly).30 cal is fact, not theory.
So when they pilfer goods from formerly free peoples, can we charge them with armed robbery?
This whole situation remins me of “A Clockwork Orange” LOL If you can’t rehabilitate them make them the enforcers! LOL
A job for two who are now of job age!
The first basic problem of the anti-gunners is FEAR.
Fear that everyone around them is criminally-minded, and cannot be trusted. Fear that they’re OUT. OF. CONTROL. of the situation, and must somehow establish control – even if it means shitting all over everyone else. Because clearly those other people cannot be trusted.
Yeah, I’ve gotten that from one of my own brothers – An intelligent, educated man.
The second basic problem of anti-gunners is MAGICAL THINKING.
They think that inanimate objects can change basic human nature… Such like holding a gun makes you a criminally-minded killer. And that holding a badge negates the effect of holding a gun.
And yeah, that same brother is guilty of the same stupidity. Makes one wonder… Maybe he’s the milkman’s kid?
Magical thinking is the one that I run into most often; the idea that a gun is inherently evil, and thus anybody who would own or use one (for any purpose) must be inherently evil. Like you said, this inherent evil is often perceived as somehow negated when the person using a gun is empowered to do so by the government. This is closely tied to the widely-held (but wrong) belief that most murderers have no criminal record. I wonder if that belief was started due to creative phrasing on somebody’s part; after all, it presumably IS true that the majority of gun deaths are caused by people with no criminal record. The majority of gun deaths are suicides, after all.
Suicides are also the statistic behind the “42 times more likely to be used against their owner” BS ‘cited’ (and de-bunked) so often.
Well, TSA already makes no one safer,
but they’re not dangerous enough, so…
giving them guns is the logical conclusion of course.
An argument we’ve already well and truly lost here. “Transit Protective officers” are armed and apparently preventing crime, but the crimes they prevent are trivial property damage and noisy drunks exceeding the tolerated dB threshold. Oh and beating up gay guys dressed as superheros, cant ignore that. The types of crime they prevent… only became a problem when the insane decision was made to remove customer service staff perminanly from many forms of public transit.
In reality, None of these fucks look like they’ve spent any time fitting their rigs, and if several of yon lightly built bully boys have actually fired their issue won out nth generation .38 specials without breaking wrists i’ll eat my hat. Doesn’t stop these bantam fucks from throwing around authority in obvious compensation for their diminutive stature.
Yes, it’s little guy syndrome writ big with a gun and a pusedo badge
In the meantime violent assaults, criminal shootings and organized crime violence have tripled.
“The most glaring example of the cognitive dissonance on the left is the concept that human beings are inherently good, yet at the same time cannot be trusted with any kind of weapon, unless the magic fairy dust of government authority gets sprinkled upon them.”
— Moshe Ben-David
The only plausible explanation for Feinstein’s words is ‘Some animals are more equal than others.’
Ladies and gentlemen, it’s not -about- guns so much. Or ‘being/feeling safe’. It’s about -control-
Just an FYI…
http://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/1q1107/had_a_discussion_with_a_friend_recently_her_logic/