Internet idiots
I may have been guilty of doing this kind of thing once or twice.
Add: Sooooooooo seems like the Dorner Vs. LAPD thing is becoming a big story. Did I mention I grew up in Big Bear? (I doubt he’s actually hiding there.)
I do not sympathize with Dorner, nor do I support his actions. He is murdering innocents. But, and this is important when it comes to gun control legislation: people need to stop talking about how “OMG ONLY COPS SHOULD HAVE GUNS.” Cops are not magically safer with guns. They do not miraculously start having perfect sense on when to use a gun. The LAPD especially, an incredibly corrupt police force, have a long-standing history of escalation of violence against subjects, be they arrested lawfully or not.
You wanna trust your life, as a first line of defense, to these yahoos? You go right ahead.
Let me guess- these are all real things you’ve read that have caused this reaction in you before.
You know what else is like not having sex?
NOT HAVING SEX. ;_;
Lol, I know that feel, that entire group of feels ;_;
You are breaking the Rules…..Sex trumps all other suits in the deck of life. Ignorance is infinite, Good Sex is finite.
Sorry, XKCD did it better.
http://xkcd.com/386/
Now sudo make me a sandwich.
kill -s 9 CraigL
shred -f -u -z *Craigl*
First thing I thought of.
There is infinite stupidity on the net.
Even as a ‘prisoner of mother england’ the degree to which we have gun control is ludicrous. In any case it doesn’t stop guns ending up in the hands of those that wish to commit crimes with them. Just as the ‘War on Drugs’ doesn’t stop those who wish to use drugs getting their hands on drugs.
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Of course, XKCD (required reading for all geeks, and the people who wish they could understand them) beat you to this one. See http://xkcd.com/386/.
As fanatical as I am on the subject, I would still shut down the PC if I had a hot, nekkid redhead waiting for me in the bed.
“Start without me.”
You owe me a keyboard and monitor.
Almost the same for me–I’d swallowed my Pepsi just in time. “Start without me” indeed!
To quote my wife, referencing this:https://xkcd.com/386/
“They’ll still be wrong in the morning. Come to bed.”
Go have sex as soon as it’s offered. The idiots will still be there when you get back. Trust me. They never leave.
And the idiot probably doesn’t have a hot readhead waiting to have sex…
Wow. The carpet matches the curtains.
The cops and guns thing is one of my favorite hypocrisies. I love to dig way back into forums and comment boards and find my left leaning friends quotes about how all cops are jackbooted murdering racist thugs, then link those comments to their more recent quotes about how only cops should have guns.
I don’t care how geeky you are. That right there is a priority interrupt.
Well, until the mental health care system is more affordable, more people realize they might need help and it’s okay to ask for it, and more doctors make accurate diagnoses, the gun control debate will continue. However, there is no way for the government to take away guns without rewriting the Amendments, which would cause incredible backlash to the point the Second Amendment would be returned to normal.
But then, I’m only another person on the Internet. Those are just my thoughts.
Disarm the damn cops already. They’ve shown that they can’t be trusted.
Give a man a fish, he’ll eat for a day. Give a man a badge, he’ll eat forever by confiscating everyone else’s fish.
It’s beyond sad. My heart goes out to all affected. We had a deputy up in the North Woods (20 years old, that kind of jurisdiction) murder a bunch of kids. There are good cops and bad cops, just like good and bad people. I’ve known enough police (and soldiers, of which this murdering scumbag was apparently) to know they’re all just people. People in a thankless, dangerous job.
Without reposting a mess of information on the internet, when it turns out a sheepdog is a wolf, it’s a sorrowful obligation to take them down, no matter who they used to be.
Saw a video of a bunch of camoflauged folk with rifles looking for this guy on TV. Then, I could onky think how it could have easily been a photo of Afghanistan. Now I can only think of that line from Hunt for Red October. “We’re going to kill a friend.”
I accept the idea that there are good cops and bad cops. I have met some police officers who were genuinely trying to do their job in a good way. However, more of those “good cops” need to take a stand against the abuses that their fellow officers continue to heap upon the public. The “good cops” must stop allowing the excesses, corruption, and downright bad behavior of their fellow officers or else they are just as guilty as any who commit those crimes. They are, in fact, accessory to those crimes.
Let us be clear here: your on Dorners side?
If the benchmark on this is “Do you believe cops should report other cops who commit crimes,” then I guess I’m on “Dorner’s side.” This does not mean, however, that I support his decision to murder innocents in a revenge killing.
Anon, it is a mistake to oversimplify and turn it into an issue of “sides.” I will clarify as you requested. I do not support Dorner’s actions, of course I do not, I am a rational human being and he hurt innocent people. But neither do I support the actions of the officers trying to kill him. They ALSO hurt innocent people. I was speaking to the greater, overarching issue here, which is that many police officers act wrongly, and their supposed “good” fellow officers do nothing to stop them.
Dorners actions are over the top and inexcuseable to be sure, but doing something about the bad cops is exactly what he’s doing. He’s been trying to do something about an injustice he witnessed for over 4 years. Trying to clear his name, to prove that he lives up to the virtues your extolling. And nothing he’s done so far has worked. In his mind it’s come down to walk away, which is something he can’t do and something you suggest good cops shouldn’t do, or go balls out guerrilla warfare to get his message across.
That’s why I’m confused by your opinion. As for innocent people, again the actions taken are unfortunately extreme but I’m not really hearing of any innocent people in the mix. Except those shoot in the hunt for Dorner himself.
PSST! The first people he killed were the daughter off one of the Police Lawyers, and her fiancee.
Those are innocents, slain solely for a vendetta.
He had other options.
Yes, and because they are people they are no better than we the civilians, despite the tin star, and being somehow anointed.
I do agree that when a sheepdog turns out to be a wolf they need to be taken down, no matter who they used to be. And for that matter, who they ARE.
That said, I am not speaking about Mr Dorner here, but rather, the jackholes in Torrance who have opened fire on civilians not once but TWICE, both times a case of “mistaken identity” (wink, nudge) In both cases these officers will likely walk away, with at worst, a paid vacation.
Would anyone here (other than me) have the courage to call the two Torrance officers who shot Emma Hernandez “murdering scumbags” if she had died? Or would everyone be excusing it as “one of those bad things that happen to good people”? These cops made it clear they cannot be trusted with guns.
Keep in mind, I am NOT defending Dorner. He killed innocent people, and that is unforgivable.
I have simply concluded that it is high time we stop sanctifying cops and see them as the paid jackbooted thugs they are.
+1 on the murdering (or at least homicidally-inclined, since she hasn’t died yet) scumbags. I hope the ladies’ lawyer crushes the Torrance PD, sees them driven to bankruptcy, takes their homes and their cars, and hears the lamentations of their accountants.
Still haven’t heard a lot about the other wrongful shoot, yet.
Sadly, I can’t agree with your hope. The taxpayers lose no matter what – CA PD get their lawyers paid for by the state.
This is one of those things that eventually drove me to look into anarcho-capitalism. A system in which protection agencies which are GOOD will have customers clamoring at their doorsteps, and those which are BAD will lack income, and/or be sued out of existence. The concept of a Dispute Resolution Organization would actually GIVE you a contract for the things people claim are “social contract” today (which, as we’ll note, the state keeps slipping out of its end, bit by bit).
This.
I stopped counting at thirty bullet holes in the blue truck. The “suspicious behavior” evidently consisted of doing their paper route. (According to people from CA, it’s common there to do so with headlights out so as “not to disturb people”.)
Yes, there are comments out there excusing it, on the basis that “they’re scared and human”. No, try again. You don’t get to cut down old ladies in a hail of gunfire (THIRTY??) because you’re scared and they drive a truck. (Not the same model, not the same make, not the same color, and if a Large Black Man can successfully disguise himself as two Little Old Ladies–of a different ethnicity entirely!–I’d pay to see it.)
I get what you’re saying, but you can’t blame all police for the actions of a few individuals. That’s like saying, this guy shot up a movie theater, all gun owners are bad.
Gun owners didn’t take a blind oath to initiate force and commit agression against people just because some government jackhole says to do so.
Cops did.
If you say “sure, I’ll go use force against people who aren’t hurting anyone just because you say it’s the law,” you have proven that you cannot be trusted with having the power of life and death over your fellow citizens.
Giving cops the power they have and making them better armed than the public results in exactly this kind of garbage taking place.
It’s not just LAPDogs doing this, and it’s not just a few. It’s widespread, in communities across the nation.
Arresting people is use of force. Even a simple traffic stop is the threat of violence.
Treats of violence are our society’s preferred method of crime deterrence. Do you really think anything will get better if people can’t be sure the law is backed up by force?
The solution is stronger recruitment standards and internal discipline (and maybe better laws), but I’d rather feel threatened at a traffic stop than see how criminals act when we disarm the people in charge of enforcing our laws.
Funny thing is that if it had been you in that situation, you probably would have done the exact same thing as those officers and then claimed self-defense. You are condemning all officers because a few mistook a vehicle for one driven by a man known to hunt and kill cops! They are all on high alert because a man is literally out to get them. Police officers are only human and they get stressed and make snap judgments and mistakes just like anyone else. They are held to a higher standard because of the power they have, but this is not a misuse of that power, as you seem to think it is. This is not “Oh there’s an innocent person in a truck that looks like the perp’s, now’s my chance to attack a civilian and get away with it.” This is “It’s dark out, there’s a truck without headlights coming towards us that looks like the perp’s, who probably has heavy weapons capable of punching through my vest and killing me with one shot, and oh shit OH SHIT he’s not stopping!”
And unfortunately, attitudes like yours make it much harder for police officers to do their jobs. If you go into an encounter with a police officer with the idea that he or she will use force and abuse you, you are less likely to listen to the officer and follow instructions (which are put in place for your and the officer’s safety). With you not following instructions, the officer must use force to secure the situation, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Not all police officers are corrupt. The ones that are give bad raps to the rest of them, but they are fewer than you think. Officers have difficult jobs and often have to make difficult decisions with very real consequences. I’d like to see you do better.
Speaking as myself:
Funny thing is that if it had been you in that situation, you probably would have done the exact same thing as those officers and then claimed self-defense.
Absolutely not. Castle Doctrine in Texas does not allow me to indiscriminately fire my guns into a neighborhood at innocents.
Also, I’m not sure if you looked at the pics, but the truck with the newspaper delivery women in it was not headed toward the cops. It was headed AWAY from them, when they opened fire.
They are all on high alert because a man is literally out to get them.
That is completely unacceptable as an excuse.
Police officers are only human
This is also completely unacceptable as an excuse.
They are held to a higher standard because of the power they have, but this is not a misuse of that power, as you seem to think it is.
If I had fired on a car with no warning, for no other reason than “Someone wants to kill me, and they looked suspicious,” out in the the street, hitting other cars and houses as I sprayed down two papergirls, do you think I would be anywhere except jail right now?
That’s kind of the definition of “misuse of power.”
Also, you are aware that they shot not one, but two different trucks, driven by innocents?
If you defend these fucks, you will receive all the scorn and derision you richly deserve. I don’t care if you or someone you love are a cop, what the LAPD did here was absolutely criminal, and there’s no excuse for it.
You know what? Whatever they get, that’s what they get. Frankly, I don’t care. I’m going to let the judges and jury figure that out. My main point was that many people seem to think that all cops are terrible and should be stopped at all costs. Why are you assuming that these individuals are bad cops out to get people? That’s the problem I’m seeing.
And yes, being human is a reason, though not an excuse. Sometimes decisions are made without your brain acknowledging them and your body carries them out without you realizing it. That is human nature and it happens to EVERYONE, training or not. Reaction time happens in less than a blink of an eye and your brain is really slow to catch up.
With the second truck, you are aware that when a shooting happens that involves a fellow officer (either they fired or were fired at), everyone comes in guns drawn? Get a vague description of a vehicle and a matching one just comes along and there you go.
And I don’t believe I deserve “scorn and derision” for assuming the best of people instead of the worst. I have to. If I don’t I would never leave my house for fear the drug dealers hanging on my corner would shoot me for looking at them wrong.
Yes, my husband is a police officer. What that does is terrify me because I have to live with a very real and higher than normal possibility that he may not return home to me at night because someone stupid with a gun thinks it’s better to shoot the cop instead of listening to him. My point of view is going to be different from yours because of our different backgrounds, but I don’t think I deserve scorn for it.
Why are you assuming that these individuals are bad cops out to get people?
You don’t have to be “out to get people” to be a bad cop. All you have to do is commit crimes. Firing at unarmed civilians without warning for no legal reason is, in fact, a crime.
With the second truck, you are aware that when a shooting happens that involves a fellow officer (either they fired or were fired at), everyone comes in guns drawn?
I did some time with the Explorer Scouts, and there’s a huge fucking gulf between “come in with guns drawn” and “shooting up a truck with two innnocent women in it, as well as the surrounding neighborhood.”
Get a vague description of a vehicle and a matching one just comes along and there you go.
Did you even read this sentence before you posted it? How is this supposed to make anyone feel safe around law enforcement? A “vague description”, and they can just start blasting? Are you out of your fucking mind?
And I don’t believe I deserve “scorn and derision” for assuming the best of people instead of the worst.
What “best” are you assuming when cops empty magazines into a truck without warning, as well as blowing holes in nearby houses and cars, not to mention two innocent women? That the cops thought the passengers needed more lead in their diet, and were delivering it to them the fastest way they knew how? That they were afraid the truck was airtight, the driver might be suffocating, so they ventilated it? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Yes, my husband is a police officer.
I retract my previous question.
What that does is terrify me because I have to live with a very real and higher than normal possibility that he may not return home to me at night because someone stupid with a gun thinks it’s better to shoot the cop instead of listening to him.
Boo fucking hoo, sister. I have loved ones in Afghanistan. Your husband signed the line, he gets the paycheck, and most importantly, he took the oaths. Nobody forced him to be a cop. Nobody forced you to marry a cop. It’s a job, and one that has to be held to a higher standard, due to the greater authority he weilds. And if this bothers you so fucking much, nobody is forcing you to stay married to a cop – one way or another. Suck it up or shut up. If your husband unloads on an unarmed, innocent civilian, who committed no crime, and you decided “I thought they were kinda sorta in a vehicle that looked a little like the truck of a cop killer who killed someone 5 hours ago” is a good enough excuse, I feel nothing but disgust for you. If your husband is not willing to put the lives of the people he is supposed to police before his own safety, he is part of the problem. Period.
He can be a hero, or he can just be out to protect his own ass first. He can’t be both.
This simply proves the point I was making earlier that everone is going to excuse the stupid, panicky behavior by the cops, aand refuse to have a rational discussion because we as a nation have deified our police.
No, I would not have shot up that truck that in that situation. I am a rational person, and I think instead of just reacting, and yes I have been in shoot / don’t shoot situations. No point in having this discussion, though. People have stopped thinking. Time for a nookie break. You folks will still be there Monday.
Bye!
“This simply proves the point I was making earlier that everone is going to excuse the stupid, panicky behavior by the cops, aand refuse to have a rational discussion because we as a nation have deified our police.”
How can I be deifying cops if I’m arguing that they are human and can make mistakes, just like anyone else? Either they are deities and there are no excuses or they are human and thus “stupid and panicky.” You can’t have it both ways.
So is your argument that we should do away with laws? No more speed limits, armed robbery is ok if you can get away with it without getting shot by a gun owner? That’s so stupid I don’t even have words for it.
As for the rest of your argument, you’re wrong. You’re completely generalizing. Yes, those asshats in Torrence should not only lose their badges, but spend a long time in prison. But it isn’t widespread. Go try the MUH RIGHTS bullshit in literally ANY other country, you’ll see a whole new defintion of police brutality.
No, I’m not saying that we should do away with laws. No speed limits, etc? No, I’m not saying that. I am saying that the police have become jackbooted thugs because we the people have allowed them to. We as free people need to take back control of our government, and that starts with pulling the fangs of the thugs.
Slavery is slavery no matter how you pretty it up. If we have to live in fear of jackbooted thugs, we are living in chains, whether they are seen or not.
No I’m not generalizing. It is that widespread. EVERY community has its bad apples. Problem is, as a sworn officer of the law, a person has an obligation to uphold the law. Yet even the so called “good cops” refuse to do anything to stop one of their fellow LE’s when the brutality starts. Therefore, in that circumstance they are abrogating their oath.
“…the MUH RIGHTS bullshit…”.
Really? Personal insult?
Yeah, I’m done with this discussion. If that and “as for the rest of your argument, you’re wrong,” are how you’re going to handle this, then I conceded the field to you, sir.
You’re obviously bringing far too much emotion and baggage of your own to this discussion, as if perhaps you were or are a career police officer.
I neither know nor care whether that is the case.
Either way, I’m out. Time for sex. I’ll be back Monday for the next comic.
Go try the MUH RIGHTS bullshit in literally ANY other country, you’ll see a whole new defintion of police brutality.
I can’t decide if this is a use of the Doctrine of Relative Filth, an Ad Hominem, or a Non Sequiteur.
Is one of those an advocation of other countries’ totalitarianism?
If that be the case why are people trying to punish all gun owners on the actions of a few individuals?
There’s no doubt the LAPD is riddled with corruption and all but seriously, isn’t the screening process suppsoed to weed out guys like Dorner: guy with a persecution complex, and a history of violent reaction to taunting, obvious mental instability, the kind of person that the stress of the job will cause to flip out – and has anyone screened his rambling manifesto, he may be crazy but not too crazy, trying to justify his actions in killing innocent people because he’s worried about what people will think of him, whilst making shout outs to Joe Scarborough, KCCO (Keep calm and Chive on, refering to that Chive site devoted to internet wackiness and pics of sexy college girls, I doubt they’ll be bringing that up on their site) The Hangover movies and how they should stop at Hangover III to preserve the franchise’s legacy, and his belief that the LAPD is totally corrupt but you can totally trust the Federal government.
i’ll have you know Angry Orchard hurts when it hits the sinuses. that is all.
also, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.
And now I think we’re beginning to see why Mick is “unlucky in love”….
To be candid, this was the first thing that came to my mind: “Hey…..!”
http://youtu.be/x-pSnQMOKN4
Nice nude shot BTW 🙂
I find it interesting that when you look at the shot up truck, there is bullet holes in the passenger window as well.
Real interesting that they shot there, if the suspect is a single person.
Shit aim.
Word. In general (I’ve known exactly two who didn’t scare the shit out of me, gun-wise), cops cannot shoot for shit; they see range time not as an excuse to get off the street and have some fun, but as a boring-ass obligation. As long as they make their quals, that’s good enough. Couple that with most PDs’ doctrine of “fire it dry, reload, and fire it dry again” and you inevitably develop of a culture of trigger-happy idiots.
This is coming from a civilian [sic] who’s had to give way too many cops way too much remedial training, FWIW.
Oh dear, if our hero keeps this up for too much longer…
Put down the mouse and pick up the lube! For god’s sake do it now. Do you hear me – NOW!
He doesn’t hear me, does he?
“Did I mention I grew up in Big Bear? (I doubt he’s actually hiding there.)”
Actually, J, have you checked this afternoon’s CNN Breaking News? Sounds like he’s not far off.
Yeah. My esteem for his intelligence dropped severely. Who the fuck tries to hide out, as a black man, in a predominantly white ski resort of 9K residents?