This is one of the longest-running story arcs I’ve done on this comic. Just sayin’.
God. Shit is all fucked up. I have major problems in my family, involving the health of a loved one. The situation in Ferguson is absolutely not improving. It’s doing the opposite. ISIS is running rampant in the middle east, Israel and Palestine are still at each others’ throats, Russia and Ukraine are warring openly, Best Korea is still doing what they do best (sucking), and yeah, we have a giant mother fucking volcano about to doom everything and everyone.
This shit be fucky, yo.
The Sixth Amendment definitely does apply to federal investigations. Of course, saying “I need a lawyer for this shit” probably isn’t invoking your right to counsel explicitly enough. But if he had said “I am invoking my right to counsel”, they would have absolutely had to provide one.
Also, I wonder if the cop read him his Miranda Rights. Once arrested they cannot ask probative questions (and be admissible in court) unless and until they read you your Rights. They CAN however, arrest you and refuse to read you your Rights and then also refuse to ask you any questions. That last panel would be correct. Instead of ASKING him where he got the bombs, order him to tell you. Not a question therefore they need not read him his Rights before hand. Guilty people talk, all the time. Give them enough rope and they will typically incriminate themselves often enough without asking a single question.
And yes you are correct, the Fed definitely are required to provide him counsel… but they are also allowed to LIE to anyone and everyone except a Judge and Jury. ( and even then they get away with that almost every time… and those times they get caught they barely get a slap on the wrist)
Actually they can lie to a jury too: they can claim there’s no such thing as jury nullification.
You cannot order him to make statements. That’s eliciting a response from an individual that has invoked, which has been held by the Supreme Court to be a functional equivalent of a question (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island_v._Innis).
That was the only thing that was wrong in the comic. I feel that “I need a lawyer,” is definitely invoking your right to an attorney. Also, Aaron is incorrect. You cannot order him to make statements. That’s eliciting a response from an individual that has invoked, which has been held by the Supreme Court to be a functional equivalent of a question (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island_v._Innis).
Well. There goes all the theories on him creaming himself to….
Oh shit the strip search photos. They weren’t for Sparkledark…
Or this isn’t “Bulldog”.
Also he could have found the pipebombs in the Shop.
Omar had a stash on hand of pipebombs. Maybe they didn’t just go up in the explosion but were the cause of it. Besides, how likely is the ATF going to believe his story that he just found them there.
They are either going to assume he built the bombs or this arc is getting a whole lot longer…
Except Omar is inbound for questioning from his honeymoon/retirement. Plot stirring ahead?
Well they have a suspect who was basically confessing to everyone.
What’s to say they haven’t canceled the appointment.
Pipe bombs exploding inside a truck would have a markedly different signature that one exploding outside a truck. Possible he could have removed them from the truck and then triggered them….
Those Icelandic volcanoes are bad news. Not just for air travel, either. A major VEI 5 or 6 eruption could have global climatic effects. ( Bye bye global warming; likely a 2-degree C drop in global temperatures, more than the rise observed over the last 50 years. ) And there are several others in addition to Bardarbunga that are potentially as dangerous.
At least I won’t have people going on about global warming every 5 mins if that happens.
Probably the only up side to it happening.
And the Chicken Littles won’t be able to say that climate change is caused by mankind.
Yes, it’s absolutely absurd that people believe something supported by overwhelming scientific consensus based upon copious data.
It’s not that much of a consensus but a silencing of the opposition. And some data falsification.
Not to mention egregious abuse of statistical methods (for example, they generate the input data for their models not by observation, but by statistical manipulation of observed data), and claiming that statistical models which have not had time to demonstrate predictive ability make accurate predictions. William Briggs (statistician to the stars!) has plenty to say about those shenanigans.
You write as if there are science police who strong-arm dissenters. For this to be possible would imply that there are not large corporations (aka sources of considerable potential grant money) that would benefit greatly from climate change being shown to be wrong, including by demonstrating that data was falsified.
You are correct about there having been a silencing of the opposition. However, given the lack of scientific holy inquisitors, the best way to silence opposition has been to present abundant evidence that a view is correct.
There also other ways, like convincing editors to prevent the publication of heretical papers in peer reviev publications, baring the heretics from science conventions, suing anyone who dares to mention that correspondance detaling methods of falsifying data to fit the end result (complete violation of scientific method) has been leaked on the internet…
Fight for the grant money is ugly and many are willing to abandon all principles to get it.
…and 30 years ago, those claiming that climate change was anthropogenic, or even that global warming was occurring at all, were the ones having to fight the peer review process to get their papers published. (Bear in mind that the early global-warming papers were being published in a time when it was believed that we were headed into an age of global cooling.) Now that it has been widely accepted in the scientific community, it is people who deny it who have to fight the peer review process to get their papers published. That’s how peer review works: if you are making a claim that contradicts mainstream thinking, you must fight an uphill battle in order to get published; this means that if you DO get published, your paper has earned the right to be taken seriously.
You also make the same mistake that stimpynarf does: you act as if there is only grant money for those supporting climate change, and that multinational corporations who already provide enormous amounts of grant money across many fields would just not bother offering grants for climate-change research that would directly affect their profits. When 97% of your colleagues support one viewpoint, you have to fight far less hard to get grant money for research that would support the opposite viewpoint. Financially, there is a tremendous benefit to denying climate change; and yet very few scientists do so.
(Disclaimer, in case anybody is wondering: I work as support staff in a scientific field that does not relate to global warming. I do have exposure to the peer-review process by professional relationships with editors-in-chief of some peer-reviewed journals, but am not myself an editor nor a referee, and I have not been nor do I expect to be published. Likewise, I’m aware of some of the many sources of potential grants through interactions with people pursuing them, but am not myself directly supported by grant money. And, while I’m at it, I’ll note that my views expressed here are solely my own and not those of the people who employ me.)
No, it clearly isn’t policing to cause an artificial market for one type of evidence over another through monetary reward… It DOES however tend to cause the results to resemble “politics” more than “science”.
You just hit the key point though: there is colossal economic benefit to demonstrating climate change to be false. Conversely, there is considerable economic cost to it being true–it requires tremendous amounts of R&D with no benefit other than reduced greenhouse emissions. (This considerable cost is why the Kyoto Protocol is not binding on developing countries – only developed ones, since the latter can presumably bear the cost better. This cost and its uneven application is why the US did not ratify the Kyoto Protocol.)
So, yes, monetary reward can cause things to appear more like politics than science. However, in this case, there is considerable monetary reward for climate change to be denied… and, lo and behold, in political circles, it is denied, while in scientific circles, it’s almost universally accepted.
If a group of politicians invent any OTHER problem in order to add more control, which then happens to increase the cost of doing business, and possibly as a fringe benefit causes them to gain more power in allowing those companies to continue on, or the power to kill them at will… Politicians WILL pursue it, and companies WILL oppose it. When the monetary reward to scientists to come up with a certain result if their checks are signed by Exxon is sketchy, why isn’t the inverse?
See ‘The Structure of Scientific Revolutions’, by Thomas Kuhn.
Tell me I’m not the only one who thinks the Icelandic volcanoes are named by someone who smashes his face on the keyboard randomly.
I was thinking the lab cat walking across the keyboard, myself.
The letter in question “ð” was actually part of Old English, Gothic, and Old Norse, just like “Þ”
(called “eth” and “thorn”, respectively).
We still use the sounds of these two, we just got rid of the excess letters.
That out of the way, it’s pronounced “bartharboonga”, not “bardarbunga”.
So then, this is the Nordic version of “bada-bing, bada-boom?”
I’m glad I’m not the only one who knows this letter… I’ve taken to using it when doing partial derivatives to more clearly differentiate what kinda derivative the Leibniz notation is referring to.
I’m sorry to hear the family shitstorm is swirling around a health issue. You have my support in getting through it.
I see that North Korea is continuing to maintain titles of both craziest and dumbest government on this planet.
On the lighter side, many here will appreciate the results of Googling for cananyoneconfirm (one word). 😉
Oh, and nitpick: “Best Korea”? Your fingers were looking ahead. If you must use superlatives in that description, “Worst Korea” is more like it! I mean, even if there were East and West Koreas, and just to go with the motif NE, NW, SE, and SW ones too, and heck, might as well toss in Upper, Lower, Inner, Outer, etc., North Korea would probably *still* have the most tyranny, starvation, stubborn refusal to face any semblance of reality, and ludicrous claims about the prowess of its leader, of any known Korea.
Errr, it’s actually a fairly well known internet meme to refer to North Korea as “Best Korea”.
This. It’s a sarcastic usage (coming from anyone other than North Korea), for exactly the reasons cited.
Coming from North Korea, it’s just willfully ignorant.
But it IS best… If you ever wanna laugh, look up North Korean propaganda. Freakin hilarious
I can always count on FTF for my morning shot of humor, then despair. Very sorry about the family issues.
No one every expects the GAYTF!
LOL!
Shit be really fucky, yo. Don’t forget ebola and global warming. This California drought is no friggin joke.
I’m not worried about Ebola. It’s ravaging countries that have virtually no public health care infrastructure, and fewer doctors per capita than Afghanistan. Chances of it getting here are nil.
Sucks for Sierra Leone, though.
Yes. There is also widespread distrust of doctors and Western medicine generally which makes people avoid getting care or following protocols such as quarantines.
As a gay man I totally agree with the above sentiment
Yeah, don’t discount that gay men and women have gone completely over the wall for the one they loved. I have a gay friend who’s gone completely batshit crazy and done some really stupid crap when his then boyfriend dumped him. Restraining orders were involved, and his ex became a gun owner…
The minute he asked for a lawyer regardless of the NDAA 1021 law in 2012; it was invalidated in federal court. He must get one within the 72 hours of being held or he can not be charged for/of a crime (Habeas).
He’s not asked if he could leave and if they’ve not Mirandized him, but have charged him with a crime… the courts get to toss it out on appeal (that’s old standing law since 1968)….
I thought the same thing. Annnnd WHEN has the ATF ever bothered with piddly little things like constitutional right and Due Process?
Where you got the pipe bombs?
What kind of half-assed loser doesn’t make his own?
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Oh, right.
Here’s the thing, there is an exception to Miranda when there is reason to believe that there is an ongoing “threat to public safety” and/or “urgent concern for public safety.”
In this case, I would assume that they are:
1) Given the suspicion that he manufactured the pipe bombs, assume there are more and/or the supplies to make more. If true, they need to find them and collect/disarm them to end the continuing threat OR confirm there are no more bombs/materials.
2) Initially handling this as a case of domestic terrorism. Initially unsure if this is an isolated incident or part of a broader plot, they could hold him for interrogation without Miranda Rights until such time they are satisfied that there is no continuing/lingering threat. He is after all, the primary suspect concerning the bombing of what amounts to a ammunition and arms storage facility.
That said, as the primary suspect in these matters… suspecting terrorism or additional supplies, he can be held indefinitely; without charge, Miranda rights or access to counsel until such time that the investigating agents are satisfied that the threat is over.
I regret that I could not actually find a link to a document that spelled out the exception, only articles that are talking about it. Love it or leave it, it would seem that these ATF/FBI agents ARE acting in accordance with the laws they are protecting and the laws concerning how they protect them.
Ferguson shitstorm doesn’t pass the ‘trading places’ test. It ain’t newsworthy and definitely not riot worthy.
Just another dumbass challenging a cop and losing due to stupidity.
Took video footage of that happening and posted it on youtube yourself, did you?
Even if he didn’t – local issue, local concern, hardly worthy of federal attention (let alone the amount of time national news is giving it).
Tragedy for a dead kid; sympathies for a hurt cop, but really. That it’s getting so much attention just screams, “Look, squirrel!”
Where?
Same place you got the footage of him being shot in the back with his hands up. I dont know what happened, but its not anything simple. The cop has a busted skull and possibly concussion. Anyone judging or taking a stance one way or the other is premature.
Did I get footage of that? Shit, here I’ve been saying again and again that we don’t know what happened and my camera’s right here in the room with me … and now you tell me it’s got footage of that? Wow. If only I’d known sooner.
Wait. Something’s not right here. The pathologist’s report said one of the bullets hit his arm from the back, meaning either he had his arms down and was shot from behind or he had his arms up and was shot from in front. If he was shot in the back with his hands up, as you say footage I was unaware of having on my camera shows he was, then who fired that shot? Someone should check that street for grassy knolls, and also classy gnolls, because if there are classy gnolls there we should be told.
The pathologist also said its not definitive in either proving or disproving any scenario. These things happen very fast and people turn, strike , move retreat, and advance, just as quickly. Regarding his arm getting a single shot entered from behind plenty of scenarios, like hands up or hands forward (to strike opponent above shoulder height) account for this happening. Its not uncommon for self defense shootings to include a bullet entry on side or back as things happen very quickly. Its also not uncommon that cops over react and get god complexes. Only time will tell.
Not premature at all, apply the ‘trading places’ test- middle aged 300 lb agitated redneck perp, minority of your choice cop, apply the known facts, cop gets attacked in car, one shot is fired in the car, cop has a blowout fracture of his orbit (which takes a BIG punch or force to happen), 5 of 6 shots front entry, story never makes it past StL. Suicide by cop or just the usual dumbassery. Call the above racially motivated, I dare you.
Modern mass media is a powerful and highly abused tool, there IS no fact checking anymore, its just totally repugnant manipulation.
Sure there is, they fact check on Twitter. #cananyoneconfirm? (Ear plugs vs rubber bullets)
Dude had to have a punch like a freight train or bounced the officer’s dome off something SOLID to fracture an orbit.
Evidence of the cop’s injuries was shown to be altered, with an MRI that had “University of Iowa” scribbled out… poorly. It would be a really stupid thing to do to have a REAL injury and poison the well with a doctored medical photo.
If I were a gambling man I’d put some money down on those “pipe bombs” being related to some certain shotgun shells of the 8 Gauge variety…
Have you seen this? Crazy. http://grapevine.is/news/2014/08/21/bardarbunga-earthquake-visualization/ http://oddurk.cartodb.com/viz/68c57ac6-2931-11e4-bfc4-0edbca4b5057/public_map Gonna make Mt. St. Helens look like a hiccup.