So Federal is putting out .22 LR now. I know, right? We found out when our bro Fox came back from an Academy Sports with two boxes. Haven’t gotten to test it out yet.
We went back 12 hours later and that shit was a ghost. Just gone. The sales clerk told me they’d sold out of 10,000 rounds that quick, even limiting buyers to two boxes per.
Hoping for more.
So nothing about the Westbora (spelling???) Baptist Church’s founder “being on death’s door”.
Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582100/Founder-Westboro-Baptist-Church-edge-death-claims-estranged-son.html
I don’t generally dance on graves. But for *him,* I’ll make an exception.
I’m a big fan of irony, and in this case I think it would best be served by NOBODY COMING TO HIS FUNERAL.
Nice. đ
I pray he escaped damnation, which I truly can not wish upon anyone. That doesn’t mean he would be happy in Heaven; given the long and public nature of his sins, I have no doubt that if he escaped Hell, he has a really long stint purifying his soul in Purgatory.
Tell me again about this loving god of yours that tortures people for eternity.
Okay.
God is Goodness and Love and Truth and Beauty and the source of all those things, everywhere that they are found. When you experience those, or any other good thing, you experience God. If Goodness, Love, Truth, and Beauty are things you seek after above all else, then not only are you seeking God but also His Church, and after you die, once you have divested your soul of all its nastiness, evil, unkindness, and snark, you will spend an eternity with Him because you are eternal. You don’t die and then it’s over. You are eternal. You can have that eternity surrounded by His goodness, love, truth, and beauty, far more overwhelming than you have ever found them to be here on earth. That is what God wants for you. He loves you, which is to say He is freely offering to you absolutely every thing which is to your authentic good, and those good things are also exactly what He made you for.
And the God you will find is no stranger to any suffering that you, or anyone else ever to live in this life, has experienced. Arguably, He has suffered more physical pain than anyone alive in the West today, and spiritual suffering beyond what you have the capacity to understand, as He has borne the weight and suffering of every sin done throughout human history.
God did not make Hell for us. He made it for rebellious angels who sought to destroy what He created. When the rebellious spirits chose to separate themselves from Him, they likewise chose to separate themselves from Goodness, Love, Truth, and Beauty. Not only does that suck, but they cannot escape either its suckiness or the sucky truth that they picked it over the good, when they did not have to. That’s Hell.
Calvinist predestination is a crock. God does not choose an eternal destination for anyone; everyone who suffers damnation chose it for themselves. And the God who created you without your help will not save you without your consent. While you live, you have the fearful, awful liberty of choosing evil, and as a consequence, Hell. Listen to Alice Cooper. Don’t choose evil.
> God is Goodness and Love and Truth and Beauty and the source of all those things, everywhere that they are found.
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He also is apparently all-powerful, and refuses to use said power to refrain from torturing mythical human souls like a vicious child scorching ants with a magnifying glass.
You think this god o’yourn is so awesome, fine, cool. But some of us have also done the reading, and realized that, were your god to actually exist, he would be no more worthy of worship than a spoiled child who kills household pets when he gets mad.
Your god is a fairy tale invented by bronze age goat herders.
If you’re going to follow a fairy tale, you might at least see about one that’s a little more modern. But that’s your call.
Your god is a fairy tale invented by bronze age goat herders.
Unless I am right and you are wrong, a possibility any prudent and intellectually honest man ought to be willing to admit. Knowing more things and having better stuff does not make you any more wise, prudent, or perspicacious than bronze age goat herders. And given the unbeliveably irrational stupidity of postmodern New Age woo, I think the older fairy tales are a better thing to follow than the more modern ones. Bronze age goat herders did not have the luxury of indulging in anything as stupid as modern fairy tales.
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Alright.
In my opinion, you have not “done the reading” until you’ve finished the Catechism that Cdl. Ratzinger edited. Even though it’s free online (this version makes it easier to search, navigate, and check out footnotes and cross-references, while this one is easier to link to), I doubt you have. I expect you to dismiss these as appeals to an irrelevant or untrustworthy authority anyway.
Understand that in the Catechism, the word “creature” is a technical term for “thing that is created,” and it is not limited to living things. It encompasses everything from beings of pure spirit like angels and demons to any pi muon to the entire explorable universe to man, created in God’s likeness and image.
He also is apparently all-powerful, and refuses to use said power to refrain from torturing mythical human souls like a vicious child scorching ants with a magnifying glass.
This complaint strongly suggests that you buy into one of the lamest bits of fundamentalist fallacy out there. No shame in that; lots of atheists do. The particular fallacy in question is, “Because God is almighty, human agency is an illusion.” Like I said before, Calvinist double predestination is a crock. I can’t blame you for hating a god who chooses who’s going to be saved and who isn’t, and punishes the losers he made to lose with hell, because that would be an evil god. The whole Catholic Church stands with you in rejecting any such god.
I trust that you regard rationality as a good thing. If my God is good, then he has to be rational.
I trust that you regard liberty as a good thing. If my God is good and rational, then he has to have made you entirely free. Real liberty is full-on no limits liberty that lets you do anything, no matter how good or how evil.
If my God is good, and loving, and rational, then he must also be just. Justice makes you responsible for your actions, and gives your actions consequences. Good gets rewarded and evil gets punished. Oblivion is not an option. It is a cheap escape for evildoers, and it cheats the good of their just rewards. You can choose evil, and reject every good thing. But when you do this there are consequences. If you hate and reject comfort and love, and deem them repugnant, you get torment, hatred, and pain, because nothing else is left. Again, that is Hell.
A good and loving God has another quality: mercy. He provides an out for the sinner, by which the sinner escapes the just punishment due for sinning against God. What does that mercy look like?
The Crucifixion. A fully human and fully divine Man, beaten, mocked, humiliated in public, and tortured to death by suffocation brought on by exhaustion. I look into his face and I say, “You accepted this punishment, which was for my evil. You did this so that I could have the good you offer me. I am responsible. I am sorry. I accept your sacrifice on my behalf. I promise to try never again to do evil against you.”
I doubt that all of this has changed your opinion of God. If not, I have to ask, what is it that makes you mad at him? that he lets people do evil? that he allows people to reject his mercy? that he punishes those who reject his mercy, as justice requires? or that his definition of evil isn’t the same as yours?
You realize all you just did was reiterate your fairy tale to me? A fairy tale that I studied in depth from the age of 5?
It’s not even a GOOD fairy tale. It’s full of blood and human sacrifice and cruelty and stupidity masquerading as logic.
> Bronze age goat herders did not have the luxury of indulging in anything as stupid as modern fairy tales.
They absolutely did. Religion is a method to curb the masses, and they came up with a primitive myth to lay down the law. In reality, the god you consider so amazing has the manners and mores of a spoiled brat. It’s the kind of god that, well, a bunch of primitive goat herders would invent. If your god was my child, it would be punished for being a cruel, idiotic person, with the barest measures of compassion and human empathy. It would get its ass spanked and sent bawling to bed early without dinner.
> I canât blame you for hating a god who chooses whoâs going to be saved and who isnât
But I don’t hate your god, any more than I hate the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy. I know, I know, you like to think that I’m a hateful ball of anger toward your oh-so-very-real myth, but the reality is that I don’t believe in it. At all. It doesn’t exist. If there’s any anger in me, it’s towards your church, for fomenting ignorance and subservience in the human race. For genocides and torture of millions of human beings. For holding us back as a species. You are part of a cadre of humans that would rather worship the imaginary than further the course of knowledge.
And that’s just fucking sad.
You’ve ignoring the questions I made that post to ask. What is it that makes my God like unto a cruel, idiotic child, with the barest measures of compassion and human empathy, that would get its ass spanked and sent bawling to bed early without dinner?
That he lets people do evil? That he allows people to reject his mercy? That he punishes those who do evil and then reject his mercy, as justice requires? Or that his definition of evil isnât the same as yours? And you know he lacks any but the barest measures of compassion because there was nothing he could learn by suffering humiliation, rejection, torture, injustice, and death?
Human sacrifice? Who did God (who desires mercy, not sacrifice) demand be sacrificed? Abel? No, God never asked for that. The Sodomites and Gomorrans? He never asked his people to sacrifice them; he made war on them himself (through a purely spiritual agency), after promising to forbear if Abraham could find ten just men among them. Isaac? Nope, he was not sacrificed. As Abraham predicted, God himself provided the sacrifice. The Egyptian firstborn? No more so than the Sodomites and Gomorrans. The martyrs? No, God didn’t ask for them to be killed. They just were certain that it was better to die faithful rather than faithless, even if that meant dying early, and at the hands of tyrants, rather than later, by some other cause.
Oh, wait. There is a case of human sacrifice. Jesus Christ, who sacrificed himself.
As for the Body of Christ: Genocide and torture of millions of human beings? I’d like a citation. And don’t point at the Spanish Inquisition, which kept excellent records and had novel procedural requirements like defense counsels and presentation of a defense, something governments of the time did not think were necessary in order to obtain justice. And Texas kills people faster. The Conquistadors? They took down empires that really did murder millions of people every year. The Crusaders? They were making defensive expeditions against hostiles who had been expanding almost exclusively through conquest for three hundred years, and it was not until 1571 that said expansion by conquest was definitively halted.
As for fomenting ignorance, you’re buying a fairy tale of your own, peddled by Protestants, classicists, and several other groups with assorted antiCatholic axes to grind. The university was an invention of the medieval Catholic Church, and two thirds of the medieval universities got their charters, which made them independent from the local
bully boyswarlordsgovernments, directly from the Pope. I don’t know how you can rationally believe the institution responsible for inventing universities, and producing so many scientists, and for that matter, developing the scientific method, also foments ignorance. Prior to the establishement of Christendom, people thought you could imitate or placate nature, but never understand it.When we’re discussing the institution that preserved most of the Greek philosophy we still have, and gave us Father Georges “Big Bang” Lemaitre, Nicolaus “Heliocentrism” Copernicus, William of Ockham (and Occam’s Razor), Brother Gregor “Modern Genetics” Mendel, the Merton Calculators, over 30 Jesuit astronomers so prominent that Lunar craters were named for them, and a laundry list of Medieval scientists – like Albertus Magnus, Robert Grosseteste, Roger Bacon, John Peckham, John Duns Scotus, Thomas Bradwardine, Walter Burley, William Heytesbury, Richard Swineshead, John Dumbleton, Richard of Wallingford, Nicholas Oresme, Jean Buridan and Nicholas of Cusa – that accusation begins to look either ignorant or pigheaded.
Don’t cite Galileo. He did not have the evidence to support his hypotheses (e.g., coriolis, stellar parallax) and overturn the prevailing scientific theory of the day. Not only did Galileo not care, he wanted to pitch stacks of very fruitful scriptural interpretation on the basis of his intuitive guess, and use HIS exegesis in its place. Cardinal Bellarmine made it clear to Galileo in 1616 that if those scientific objections could be overcome then scripture could and would be reinterpreted (which is how it went, after a couple hundred years). But while the objections still stood the Church, understandably, was hardly going to overturn several centuries of exegesis for that of an amateur on the basis of said amateur’s flawed and unproven theory. Galileo agreed to only teach heliocentrism as a theoretical calculating device, then promptly turned around and taught it as fact. Thus his prosecution by the Inquistion in 1633.
Don’t cite Fr. Giordano Bruno, either. He didn’t have any evidence at all, because he wasn’t a scientist, but a purveyor of pantheistic mystical woo woo (which inevitably also made him a traitor to the Church). He started preaching an infinite universe because of a dream, and heliocentrism because fire is more noble than earth, and therefore belongs at the center, and earth at the periphery.
Even if my God is imaginary (and there’s plenty of eyewitness accounts to suggest he isn’t), worshipping him obviously does not prevent furthering the course of knowledge.
I really don’t feel like tearing down your argument line by line right now, as I’ve had a pretty good day, and half the rebuttals to your own rhetoric would be nothing more than quoting you back at yourself. Sentences apart. But this one stuck with me:
> youâre buying a fairy tale of your own
What fairy tale? I have none. I do not worship anything. Not science, not knowledge, not universities, certainly not imaginary deities. I worship nothing – and lest you twist that sentence to give “nothing” the proprietary weight of a noun, there is nothing that I worship. The only thing I have in common with any other atheist is that I lack any belief in a higher power. That’s not a fairy tale. If you must push the analogy, I have stopped believing in fairy tales. I have learned that they are made up stories, and are more or less meaningless beyond a certain childish age.
Atheism is a religion as much as abstinence is a preferred sexual position, or bald is a hair color. And in the end, I am an atheist solely because I do not believe in made-up bullshit.
The fairy tale (or if you prefer, made-up bullshit) in which you have demonstrated belief is that the Catholic Church opposes and/or suppresses learning. I don’t care what sort of label you put on this particular bit of mendacious popularly accepted falsehood, but it’s still a falsehood that you have accepted. Better scholars than either of us have laid it to rest. Only habits of thought and emotional investment in antipathy to the Catholic Church keep it going.
Frankly, I’m willing to call off the debate myself. I am now full-time in both work and school, and don’t really have the time to carry on like this.
I’ve got a stash (remmie milk carton and some CCI), but I’m being pretty careful with it.
I, too, have a stash… and when I see Remington friggin’ THUNDERBOLT (some of the worst crap out there) selling for $11.50 A BOX, I know that this IS The End Of The Shooting World As We Know It.
I’ve got 10K rounds of CCI MiniMag, so it will be a while until I run out.
I haven’t even tried to buy any rimfire in quite some time.
That was one of the funnier YM vids I’ve seen. Thanks for sharing!
I dunno how everyone is out of .22lr except my guy, but I ain’t tellin nobody who he is now. He hasn’t even raised his prices. I’m just gonna keep him a secret between me and whoever the other people are that are buying from him. It’s like some weird back alley deal or something… Except that he’s selling the stuff legal and all.
For a while, whenever I went to Wal-Mart I’d check at the sporting goods section and if they had a good price on a brick of .22LR I’d buy one. I made myself quit a couple of years ago, when I realized I had over 5000 rounds.
Even after giving some to my sister and her husband last year (along with some other ammo, as a moving present) I have over 4k of .22LR.
Guess my OCD does come in handy, sometimes. đ
I check my local Wal-mart for ammo fairly frequently. They’ve long since run out of 22 LR, so they replaced it with 50 BMG. So, no cheap plinking ammo, but all the Anti-Materiel ammunition I could ever need. Also, AP 5.56 NATO, whenever I need to punch a hole through multiple layers of kevlar, for whatever reason.
Seriously, what’s with the ammo cans of milsurp at Wally the last couple months? Not complaining, but suddenly they have cans of 5.56 and .308, out here.
5000 ain’t that much in .22LR. I can burn through 1000 in a day at the range, just plinking.
….I really like .22LR, what can I say?
…which gets back to one of my pet peeves about media reports about shootings. “The killer had 3000 rounds of ammunition at his house!” To anybody who actually buys ammunition, that sounds completely reasonable, but to somebody who knows nothing about guns, it sounds like proof of something malicious. Every time I read that in a report, I wonder how much of that is .22LR…
I’m impressed by 1000 in a day, though. I usually spend 100-200 .22LR in a “day” at the range. That’s usually a few hours, though, through a bolt-action at 100 yards. “Helps” that we have a 3-round-per-magazine limit at the state-run ranges here.
Yeah, I consider only having 1000 rounds in any particular caliber to be the “minimum requirement”.
I have a nice stock of .22lr that I’ve been hoarding for the past 6 or 7 years… It makes me chuckle whenever I see some poor sod trying to scavenge the last boxes at Cabela’s or Academy.
I should probably give the ol’ Ruger a good cleaning, or take it out to shoot more often- Ever since I started reloading my own 30-06 it’s just sat in the safe.
Matt, I hope you are kidding. If you are not, me thinks you are part off the ammo shortage condition we are now in. Just sayin’.
If having 10k rounds of .22lr is crazy, I don’t want to be sane.
It depends on how quickly he uses it. If he keeps 10k on-hand, but goes through it at the same rate anybody else does, then it doesn’t matter other than the original hit (which could’ve been two decades ago, and thus unrelated to the current shortage). If he keeps 10k on-hand because he goes through 5k per month, that’d be a different story.
Given that he says “it’ll be a while until [he] run[s] out”, I’d assume he doesn’t go through it very quickly, and so he has nothing to do with the shortage unless keeping that sort of inventory on-hand was a decision he made since the shortage started. (Which would be one hell of a decision…) Even then, his disproportionate contribution to the shortage would only be the original purchase.
In short, I think you’re blaming Matt unfairly. Just sayin’.
I have a stash. Not scalping it, I do pass it on to friends who can’t find any. At my original buying price, never going to replace it for that, but what the hell.
Found the Federal bul packs and Winchester bulk packs both at Wally World a couple times since New Years, bought the 3 box limit- And passed it to friends who couldn’t get to the store quick enough. At cost. Fuck the Scalpers and any of the Wally World staff who are working with them.
In the meantime, I shoot a lot of center fire reloads with home cast bullets instead of 22LR. A .22 Hornet with cast and a moderate load of powder does things even .22 WMR or WRF will never do… For less money, too.
It’s pretty bad when I can buy 9mm for the same price as 22lr.
The Federal I saw was going for $2.80/50 rounds.
Some music I found out about just today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKJIS9jO4fQ
Not everyone’s cup’o’tay, but I like it.
Very epic soundtracking there.
I got 1000 rds for $44 at cabelas Saturday morning. Waited in line 30 minutes. They sold out of 3 pallets, 71000 rds, in 16 minutes.
My wife was cleaning. Uncovered a brick of Remington .22LR I’d completely forgotten about. Bonus! đ
So – Between filling back-orders, everyone and their brother releasing AR uppers or full-up AR look-alikes in .22 rimfire, perceived scarcity, hoarding, and good old-fashioned profiteering (GunBroker and the like, I’m looking at your denizens!), it’s going to be a while before .22LR climbs back down out of the stratosphere and starts staying on the shelves. At this point, we’re creating the problem ourselves… Everyone needs to take like a six-week vacation on buying, and the problem will start sorting itself out.
Meanwhile, I daresay I’m going to take my old Colt Woodsman, my lovely wife’s wind-fall discovery, and go gain some status at the range… “Hey, you got .22? How’d you manage that?!“
Oh and if this silliness keeps up, I’m going to dust off my Stevens Tip-Up single-shot and grab a box of CB Caps, and have some fun that way. Well over 100 years old, and looks (and shoots*) like new.
*No collector’s value – So I shoot it. It’s been re-blued, and my can-do cousin replaced the grips after it was dropped and the grip bent – Extremely nice work, but still wrecks the value.
I wish Australia was the type of country where it was a good thing to find a box of ammo you had forgotten about.
Bonus ammo is a bad thing in Oz? :: scratches head ::
its hard to forget about it to begin with when it has to be locked up at all times unless being used, and locked in a seperate place to the guns that also must be locked up (although a lockable ammo compartment as part of the gunsafe is ok, just has to be separated from the guns…..). it really cuts down on your “hidey” places when they must be steel, and lockable
If it isn’t in your safe then you could have gotten booked for it and your licence taken away. I don’t know how you’d lose it in a safe though.
And TBh i think i meant “I wish i was into firearms enough to loose entire boxes of ammo and it be a good thing.” but i was tired.
Ah. I see. Damn… Sorry y’all gotta suffer like that. :/
I’m now stocking up on .308 Win that is damn near as cheap as .22LR… Just got me a fine CETME rifle, and it’s predecessor, an FR-8, both in nearly factory-new condition. Y’all can come on over and I’ll show you what fun is really like – paint cans and tannerite at 300 meters. đ
And yeah, I’m the kinda guy who has enough firearms floating about that I suspect I’d have enough stuff to put in one of your safes that I could *still* lose a specific box of a specific type.
I haven’t seen any .22 in a hell of a long time. Matter of fact, we stood in line at Cabela’s Black Friday event purely for the .22LR. That was the last time we managed to buy any….four months ago.
If we could buy .22 every six weeks, that would be ALMOST normal again. (Cab’s advertised thousand-round bricks a couple weekends ago; I hear they sold out in twenty minutes flat.) I’d like to take Perkins (my Marlin 60) out plinking, but without being able to replace what I shoot up, I keep hesitating.
I see what you did there. đ